[talk-au] Phone boxes

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

I have mapped a few roadside public phones recently & wondered what we're
supposed to call them, then just saw this post
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2021-May/061453.html
which jogged my memory into asking you all.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dtelephone refers to the
type of booth, & UK types of booth are listed at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:booth.

Does anybody know what Telstra calls it's booths? (if anything?) eg
https://goo.gl/maps/PDSmT5pprx5ngJ8CA or
https://goo.gl/maps/ngDGa8eXPubSPRkP8

Thanks

Graeme

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

The public phones are enclosed in “cabinets”. It’s a really good question you ask as I’m not sure what official names they have if any. The instrument within them does have a code number and type but the cabinet less so.

I was a bit surprised by the Wiki using British Telecom cabinet types instead of generic descriptions. IMHO the tagging should be generic and reflect the features so they are globally understood, so fully enclosed with door, enclosed in a box without a door, partially enclosed, no enclosure

Alex

From: Graeme Fitzpatrick <***@gmail.com>

I have mapped a few roadside public phones recently & wondered what we're supposed to call them, then just saw this post https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2021-May/061453.html which jogged my memory into asking you all.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dtelephone refers to the type of booth, & UK types of booth are listed at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:booth.

Does anybody know what Telstra calls it's booths? (if anything?) eg
https://goo.gl/maps/PDSmT5pprx5ngJ8CA or
https://goo.gl/maps/ngDGa8eXPubSPRkP8

[cleary]

I have usually mapped roadside public phones as : amenity=telephone

I would consider that the functionality of the amenity is more important than whether it is located in a cabinet or booth, protected by a perspex shield or just attached to a wall.

Hi,
The public phones are enclosed in “cabinets”. It’s a really good
question you ask as I’m not sure what official names they have if any.
The instrument within them does have a code number and type but the
cabinet less so.
I was a bit surprised by the Wiki using British Telecom cabinet types
instead of generic descriptions. IMHO the tagging should be generic and
reflect the features so they are globally understood, so fully enclosed
with door, enclosed in a box without a door, partially enclosed, no
enclosure
Alex
I have mapped a few roadside public phones recently & wondered what
we're supposed to call them, then just saw this post
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2021-May/061453.html
which jogged my memory into asking you all.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dtelephone refers to
the type of booth, & UK types of booth are listed at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:booth.
Does anybody know what Telstra calls it's booths? (if anything?) eg
https://goo.gl/maps/PDSmT5pprx5ngJ8CA or
https://goo.gl/maps/ngDGa8eXPubSPRkP8
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[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Post by cleary
I have usually mapped roadside public phones as : amenity=telephone

Which is what I also do.

I noticed though that the defaults (?), in iD at least, include the option
of a Booth type, which started me wondering?

Also looked at one of the links ^, which shows the locations of PTs. Amazed
to see that it lists an actual phone number for each phone! When I worked
for T, way back when, that was a secret (which was hard for even staff to
find out :-)), & which was *never* to be given out to the public!

May contact T & see if they are willing for us to get access to that info?

Thanks

Graeme

[Brendan Barnes]

No harm in asking for the dataset :)

Should these nodes be amenity=telephone or emergency=phone? Can you use
these units to call any number other than emergency services?

"emergency=phone - for public emergency telephones. Phones which are more
intended for, or only work for, calling the emergency services, e.g. those
provided on motorways"
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dtelephone#Similar_tags

Post by Graeme Fitzpatrick

Post by cleary
I have usually mapped roadside public phones as : amenity=telephone

Which is what I also do.
I noticed though that the defaults (?), in iD at least, include the option
of a Booth type, which started me wondering?
Also looked at one of the links ^, which shows the locations of PTs.
Amazed to see that it lists an actual phone number for each phone! When I
worked for T, way back when, that was a secret (which was hard for even
staff to find out :-)), & which was *never* to be given out to the public!
May contact T & see if they are willing for us to get access to that info?
Thanks
Graeme
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[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Post by Brendan Barnes
No harm in asking for the dataset :)
Should these nodes be amenity=telephone or emergency=phone? Can you use
these units to call any number other than emergency services?

No, these are just normal public telephones, that you pay to call any
number you wish, not the (usually) highway emergency phones.

Thanks

Graeme

[Brendan Barnes]

Ah cool yeah I misread "roadside public phone" sorry.

T calls them "payphones"
https://www.telstra.com.au/consumer-advice/payphones

Post by Graeme Fitzpatrick

Post by Brendan Barnes
No harm in asking for the dataset :)
Should these nodes be amenity=telephone or emergency=phone? Can you use
these units to call any number other than emergency services?

No, these are just normal public telephones, that you pay to call any
number you wish, not the (usually) highway emergency phones.
Thanks
Graeme

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Yeah, my bad, sorry.

I'll blame many years of only knowing them, & referring to them, as PTs,
aka Public Telephones!

Thanks

Graeme

Post by Brendan Barnes
Ah cool yeah I misread "roadside public phone" sorry.
T calls them "payphones"
https://www.telstra.com.au/consumer-advice/payphones

Post by Graeme Fitzpatrick

Post by Brendan Barnes
No harm in asking for the dataset :)
Should these nodes be amenity=telephone or emergency=phone? Can you use
these units to call any number other than emergency services?

No, these are just normal public telephones, that you pay to call any
number you wish, not the (usually) highway emergency phones.
Thanks
Graeme

[Ewen Hill]

In the UK, you can call a public telephone and the number is on the phone
or surroundings - it was anyway until the inundation of mobiles anyway . In
Australia, T probably wanted to hoover as much from the overpriced
payphones and didn't give you that option. I don't see anything more
required than amenity=telephone and perhaps the provider but I think there
are very other payphone providers now if any.

Ewen

Post by Graeme Fitzpatrick
Yeah, my bad, sorry.
I'll blame many years of only knowing them, & referring to them, as PTs,
aka Public Telephones!
Thanks
Graeme

Post by Brendan Barnes
Ah cool yeah I misread "roadside public phone" sorry.
T calls them "payphones"
https://www.telstra.com.au/consumer-advice/payphones

Post by Graeme Fitzpatrick

Post by Brendan Barnes
No harm in asking for the dataset :)
Should these nodes be amenity=telephone or emergency=phone? Can you use
these units to call any number other than emergency services?

No, these are just normal public telephones, that you pay to call any
number you wish, not the (usually) highway emergency phones.
Thanks
Graeme
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