[talk-au] Tagging Asset ID's (bridges as a priority)

[Andrew Hughes]

Hi All,

I've found an appropriate tag of bridge:name and have applied it to the
bridge: https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Merimbula%20Lake%20Bridge

But I also know this bridge has an asset id of "BID7" for the asset owner.
These asset id's are frequently referenced within the transport industry
and I believe they would be beneficial to OSM.However, I can't see anyway
of adding an ID to the bridge (or any other asset for that matter).

Furthermore, being able to search by the asset id using nominatim would
also be highly desirable - just as searching for the bridge name works a
treat! So if there's any potential there it would be great.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance Andrew

[Phil Wyatt]

Hi Andrew,



I believe the ref key is the most commonly used for such reference numbers/tags etc



https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref



its certainly used for things like bus stops



https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines



Cheers - Phil



From: Andrew Hughes <***@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2021 4:45 PM
To: OSM Australian Talk List <talk-***@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: [talk-au] Tagging Asset ID's (bridges as a priority)



Hi All,



I've found an appropriate tag of bridge:name and have applied it to the bridge: https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Merimbula%20Lake%20Bridge



But I also know this bridge has an asset id of "BID7" for the asset owner. These asset id's are frequently referenced within the transport industry and I believe they would be beneficial to OSM.However, I can't see anyway of adding an ID to the bridge (or any other asset for that matter).



Furthermore, being able to search by the asset id using nominatim would also be highly desirable - just as searching for the bridge name works a treat! So if there's any potential there it would be great.



Any advice would be appreciated.



Thanks in advance Andrew

[Bob Cameron]

A little OT sorry.

The use of key:ref also raised a question for me.

An emergency (eg RFDS) airstrip on a major road.

An extra tag aeroway=highway_strip is added to the relevant section of road?

The road already has a ref tag in use for its route number. The wiki
mentions that the ref be used for the strip designation (heading
numbers). How to enter that reference?

Tnx

Post by Phil Wyatt
Hi Andrew,
I believe the ref key is the most commonly used for such reference numbers/tags etc
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref>
its certainly used for things like bus stops
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines>
Cheers - Phil
*Sent:* Wednesday, 14 April 2021 4:45 PM
*Subject:* [talk-au] Tagging Asset ID's (bridges as a priority)
Hi All,
I've found an appropriate tag of bridge:name and have applied it to
https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Merimbula%20Lake%20Bridge
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Merimbula%20Lake%20Bridge>
But I also know this bridge has an asset id of "BID7" for the asset
owner. These asset id's are frequently referenced within the transport
industry and I believe they would be beneficial to OSM.However, I
can't see anyway of adding an ID to the bridge (or any other asset for
that matter).
Furthermore, being able to search by the asset id using nominatim
would also be highly desirable - just as searching for the bridge name
works a treat! So if there's any potential there it would be great.
Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance Andrew
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[Phil Wyatt]

Hi Bob,



How about one of the variations?



loc_ref= or if the heading markings are not on the road maybe a unsigned_ref?



You could always have a duplicate section of road and make it an aeroway=runway but that’s probably tagging for the renderer!



Cheers - Phil



From: Bob Cameron <***@skymesh.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2021 6:51 PM
To: OSM Australian Talk List <talk-***@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Tagging Asset ID's (bridges as a priority)



A little OT sorry.

The use of key:ref also raised a question for me.

An emergency (eg RFDS) airstrip on a major road.

An extra tag aeroway=highway_strip is added to the relevant section of road?

The road already has a ref tag in use for its route number. The wiki mentions that the ref be used for the strip designation (heading numbers). How to enter that reference?

Tnx

On 14/4/21 5:10 pm, Phil Wyatt wrote:

Hi Andrew,



I believe the ref key is the most commonly used for such reference numbers/tags etc



https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref



its certainly used for things like bus stops



https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines



Cheers - Phil



From: Andrew Hughes <mailto:***@gmail.com> <***@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2021 4:45 PM
To: OSM Australian Talk List <mailto:talk-***@openstreetmap.org> <talk-***@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: [talk-au] Tagging Asset ID's (bridges as a priority)



Hi All,



I've found an appropriate tag of bridge:name and have applied it to the bridge: https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Merimbula%20Lake%20Bridge



But I also know this bridge has an asset id of "BID7" for the asset owner. These asset id's are frequently referenced within the transport industry and I believe they would be beneficial to OSM.However, I can't see anyway of adding an ID to the bridge (or any other asset for that matter).



Furthermore, being able to search by the asset id using nominatim would also be highly desirable - just as searching for the bridge name works a treat! So if there's any potential there it would be great.



Any advice would be appreciated.



Thanks in advance Andrew

[Andrew Harvey]

Other replies already alluded to this, but the bridge is often mapped as an
area like at https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/604254012 with
man_made=bridge. This allows you to tag all the attributes of the bridge
distinct from the road way which crosses the bridge. eg. name=* and ref=*.

On the main road way like https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/52981128 (but
also in this case each of the cyleways that are part of the same bridge,
the bridge reference would then be bridge:ref= as ref= would refer to the
road reference not the bridge reference.

Yes this results in duplicate information tagged on both the highway=* way
and man_made=bridge area but it makes it easier for data consumers this
way, otherwise you need to do spatial intersection tests.

While smaller bridges won't have a man_made=bridge mapped out, over time as
the map improves they would be added.

It also helps determine, for example in the Merimbula Lake Bridge case, if
there is one bridge that the road and cycleways share, or there is a road
bridge and then two seperate bridges for the cycleways adjacent. Tagging
man_made=bridge makes it clear (again through a spatial intersect) that
there is just a single bridge, whereas without it, it would be unclear.

I think the ref=* tag on man_made=bridge, and bridge:ref=* tag on highway=*
is the way to go.

Bob for your case I'd go with aeroway:ref=* for the airstrip reference,
leaving ref=* for the road reference.

Post by Andrew Hughes
Hi All,
I've found an appropriate tag of bridge:name and have applied it to the
https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Merimbula%20Lake%20Bridge
But I also know this bridge has an asset id of "BID7" for the asset owner.
These asset id's are frequently referenced within the transport industry
and I believe they would be beneficial to OSM.However, I can't see anyway
of adding an ID to the bridge (or any other asset for that matter).
Furthermore, being able to search by the asset id using nominatim would
also be highly desirable - just as searching for the bridge name works a
treat! So if there's any potential there it would be great.
Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance Andrew
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[Phil Wyatt]

Thanks Andrew, great answer!


Cheers - Phil,
On the road with his iPad


Other replies already alluded to this, but the bridge is often mapped as an area like at https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/604254012 with man_made=bridge. This allows you to tag all the attributes of the bridge distinct from the road way which crosses the bridge. eg. name=* and ref=*.
On the main road way like https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/52981128 (but also in this case each of the cyleways that are part of the same bridge, the bridge reference would then be bridge:ref= as ref= would refer to the road reference not the bridge reference.
Yes this results in duplicate information tagged on both the highway=* way and man_made=bridge area but it makes it easier for data consumers this way, otherwise you need to do spatial intersection tests.
While smaller bridges won't have a man_made=bridge mapped out, over time as the map improves they would be added.
It also helps determine, for example in the Merimbula Lake Bridge case, if there is one bridge that the road and cycleways share, or there is a road bridge and then two seperate bridges for the cycleways adjacent. Tagging man_made=bridge makes it clear (again through a spatial intersect) that there is just a single bridge, whereas without it, it would be unclear.
I think the ref=* tag on man_made=bridge, and bridge:ref=* tag on highway=* is the way to go.
Bob for your case I'd go with aeroway:ref=* for the airstrip reference, leaving ref=* for the road reference.

Post by Andrew Hughes
Hi All,
I've found an appropriate tag of bridge:name and have applied it to the bridge: https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Merimbula%20Lake%20Bridge
But I also know this bridge has an asset id of "BID7" for the asset owner. These asset id's are frequently referenced within the transport industry and I believe they would be beneficial to OSM.However, I can't see anyway of adding an ID to the bridge (or any other asset for that matter).
Furthermore, being able to search by the asset id using nominatim would also be highly desirable - just as searching for the bridge name works a treat! So if there's any potential there it would be great.
Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance Andrew
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[Andrew Hughes]

Hi All,

Thanks for all the replies, very helpful. The bridge name seems very clean
cut.

The asset id, requires more research but first I will have a look into
nominatim to see how it could influence how it can play a part in locating
assets by their ID.

Thanks again, got the job done!

Post by Phil Wyatt
Thanks Andrew, great answer!
Cheers - Phil,
On the road with his iPad

Other replies already alluded to this, but the bridge is often mapped as
an area like at https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/604254012 with
man_made=bridge. This allows you to tag all the attributes of the bridge
distinct from the road way which crosses the bridge. eg. name=* and ref=*.
On the main road way like https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/52981128 (but
also in this case each of the cyleways that are part of the same bridge,
the bridge reference would then be bridge:ref= as ref= would refer to the
road reference not the bridge reference.
Yes this results in duplicate information tagged on both the highway=* way
and man_made=bridge area but it makes it easier for data consumers this
way, otherwise you need to do spatial intersection tests.
While smaller bridges won't have a man_made=bridge mapped out, over time
as the map improves they would be added.
It also helps determine, for example in the Merimbula Lake Bridge case, if
there is one bridge that the road and cycleways share, or there is a road
bridge and then two seperate bridges for the cycleways adjacent. Tagging
man_made=bridge makes it clear (again through a spatial intersect) that
there is just a single bridge, whereas without it, it would be unclear.
I think the ref=* tag on man_made=bridge, and bridge:ref=* tag on
highway=* is the way to go.
Bob for your case I'd go with aeroway:ref=* for the airstrip reference,
leaving ref=* for the road reference.

Post by Andrew Hughes
Hi All,
I've found an appropriate tag of bridge:name and have applied it to the
https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Merimbula%20Lake%20Bridge
But I also know this bridge has an asset id of "BID7" for the asset
owner. These asset id's are frequently referenced within the transport
industry and I believe they would be beneficial to OSM.However, I can't see
anyway of adding an ID to the bridge (or any other asset for that matter).
Furthermore, being able to search by the asset id using nominatim would
also be highly desirable - just as searching for the bridge name works a
treat! So if there's any potential there it would be great.
Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance Andrew
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